(i am not, never have been, a jw.
i am an apostate of the whore of babylon and have been awarded the title of honorary apostate here.).
i very recently posted about how i had come into contact with a poster on an entirely unrelated mb whose step-daughter (age about 12) was, i concluded, studying with jws along with her natural mum.
Thanks to all for the information, which has been passed on.
It looks as though battle may be about to commence.
For opening shots, can anyone please provide a quick link to the 'Bethel Christmas celebration' photos which I know I've seen somewhere here? This will be question no. 1 to the 'bible study' conductor, as in 'when and why did God change his maind about celebrating Christmas?'
Thanks in anticipation.
i didn't realise it, but trev just told me that today is one year to the date since i first visited him at his home to do some research on the internet about the wts.
i hadn't been going to all the meetings for a while at that time, and the month before i came here i hadn't been at all, but was unsure, despite my doubts, whether i wanted to leave the jws then or not.
i read on quotes, freeminds and this site, and trev printed some stuff for me to read later.
Congratulations - and thanks for your help.
this poem was written by a 15 year old jw to encourage one of my younger relatives to get back to the kh.
to get to the meeting ahead of time.
to make our way to the counter to get in line .
But hopefully, in a few years,
After all the pain and tears
I'll look back with opened eyes
And that's when I will realise
What the Watchtower did to me
I'm not the girl that I could be.
I can't forget, I won't forgive,
My revenge will be to LIVE.
in an unprecedented case, an irish judge overruled an adult woman jehovah's witness objection to blood transfusions.
in the past, only children had been forced to have transfusions where deemed necessary.
when the story first broke out, there were several ambiguities and questions unanswered.
Thanks for the clarification. I understand better now.
And yes, I am Welsh but now living in Cyprus where there is more sunshine and less rain! Slainte
in an unprecedented case, an irish judge overruled an adult woman jehovah's witness objection to blood transfusions.
in the past, only children had been forced to have transfusions where deemed necessary.
when the story first broke out, there were several ambiguities and questions unanswered.
Apologies for Eire/Ireland!
The constitutional issue, as I understand it, would be in relation to the woman's human rights, i.e. that she had a medical treatment imposed upon her by the state against her will.
A couple of thoughts arise. First, the court ruling as I understand it was to protect the child's interests because at the time it was made it was considered that it would have been an orphan with no support network whatsoever should the mother die.
Second, as I understand it under Irish law, the child became an Irish citizen (or at least entitled to citizenship) at birth, so the state had an obligation to protect the child.
Third, if the law in Ireland is the same as in E&W, one can sue to obtain reparation/compensation for a wrong already done, or to force somebody to do something (madamus) or cease doing something (ceriatori). I can see how the woman might sue for an arbitrary figure for damages for assault, etc. Is there a possibility that the state may appoint someone to act on behalf of the child?
In E&W there is a procedure - rarely used - where the Attorney-General will take a case to the High Court/House of Lords where the issue is so important that a definitive ruling is required. Presumably the same could apply here.
I entirely accept your point about the constitutional issues. I can't help feeling, however, that the more 'sensational' media would make a hell of a meal of this in the 'Crazy Cult Woman Wanted To Die' type mode (let alone issues re being an immigrant) and that any savvy PR guy for WTBTS would be weighing this up (divine light/guidance notwithstanding).
But I speak as an outsider (not now, never have been, a JW etc.) and not as an Irish citizen or resident (although a fellow Celt), and I bow to your knowledge of the feelings re the issues involved.
Regards
in an unprecedented case, an irish judge overruled an adult woman jehovah's witness objection to blood transfusions.
in the past, only children had been forced to have transfusions where deemed necessary.
when the story first broke out, there were several ambiguities and questions unanswered.
This could be very interesting.
In my humble (and layman's) opinion:
1. WTBTS/the dubs could not be a party to the litigation - it would have to be the woman concerned as sole plaintiff
2. The medical authorities would have an unassailable defence against a suit for assault because they were acting in accordance with a court order
3. Possible suit against the medical authorities for misrepresentation/negligence in collecting and presenting the evidence to the court when applying for the order? Difficult to prove, i would have thought.
4. If the legal position in Eire is the same as in UK, individual judges etc. cannot be sued for their judicial decisions
5. Possibly an action in a higher court (or Eurpean Court) for breach of the woman's human rights under ECHR? Possible, but on what basis could she ask for damages/compensation? And the breach has now finished if it existed at all so she couldn't sue for an order to desist (ceriatori?)
6. I don't know anything about the Legal Aid system in Eire, but suspect she may have difficulty in getting funding.
7. I can't see that WTBTS would fund her. The publicity surrounding this case could, I suspect, be enough to outweigh the JW's efforts in door-to-door work for years to come.
(i am not, never have been, a jw.
i am an apostate of the whore of babylon and have been awarded the title of honorary apostate here.).
i very recently posted about how i had come into contact with a poster on an entirely unrelated mb whose step-daughter (age about 12) was, i concluded, studying with jws along with her natural mum.
Thanks for these. Duly passed on.
Anything else gladly received.
(i am not, never have been, a jw.
i am an apostate of the whore of babylon and have been awarded the title of honorary apostate here.).
i very recently posted about how i had come into contact with a poster on an entirely unrelated mb whose step-daughter (age about 12) was, i concluded, studying with jws along with her natural mum.
(I am not, never have been, a JW. I am an apostate of the Whore of Babylon and have been awarded the title of honorary apostate here.)
I very recently posted about how I had come into contact with a poster on an entirely unrelated MB whose step-daughter (age about 12) was, I concluded, studying with JWs along with her natural Mum. I passed onto the step-mum a precis of information I had gahered from various sources, and later the step-mum contacted me and told me that the step-daughter had pulled out.
Out of the blue today, the step-mum has contacted me by e-mail and asked me to re-send the information I gave her previously. It appears, sadly, as if the step-daughter has re-entered the danger zone.
I have, of course, given her a link to this site (and have offered to post on her behalf if needed). I have checked through my bookmarked sites but quite a number of those are about the more detailed problems with the teachings, etc. (which is what I was looking for, but not really suitable for this purpose).
What I need is/are some links to sources suitable for a pre-teen girl to explain exactly what getting involved with the org will entail, personal experiences, etc.
The immediate advice I have given is that baptism is to be avoided at all costs.
I have the e-mail addresses of a couple of young lady posters here (e.g. Crumpet). I wondered whether putting them in touch with the step-mum (with their consent, of course) may be useful.
Any thoughts, comments, advice, suggestions, gratefully accepted and passed on.
this week elder z shows up at my house twice, unexpectedly.
the first time i didn't see him, but my daughter did and didn't answer the door.
the next time i decided not to answer the door since i didn't feel like talking to him.
I'd be happy to give you my Cyprus cellphone number and you can tell the elder to call me for any information he needs.
I could use all the Greek words I know during my conversation which wouldn't get either of us very far 'cos apart from the very basics, all the Greek words I know are names of restaurant dishes.
But at least he'd be able to file some sort of report to his ubergruppenfuerher.
Let me know if you think this would help.
I am an Apostate of the Whore of Babylon. (This is a title I have just discovered for myself for myself and which I am quite proud of. I may have a T shirt printed. Although, of course, to JWs I would be a 'seeker after the truth').
NO!
